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Total commercialization of loli/shota-artists and community Anon 11/27/2024 (Wed) 17:21:07 No. 18725
My text will seem provocative, even radical. But this is a cry from the heart. It worries me that in the last few years, most loli/shota artists have become driven solely by monetizing their talent. Love, sincerity and passion have long been pushed aside by them. This is extremely destructive to the unity of the loli/shota-community. Many of us have more than once encountered the sad and disappointing situation when you write to your favorite artist about some interesting characters, but do not receive any response. They evaluate characters not in terms of their attractiveness and uniqueness, but in terms of profit and popularity. So many cute loli and shota unfairly remain in the shadows, but artists, following the hype, are churning out Naruto, Killua, Hilda, Bridget, Pomni and Luz by the thousands! And when you sincerely try to convey this to them, they react aggressively. Almost everyone is familiar with cases when a modest and kind artist, having acquired money and fame, turned into a greedy and arrogant one. The transformation (more correctly, deformation) of many of them reached the point that they completely lost the habit of drawing for pleasure and inspiration, because it is free and will not bring in income. They may not paint for months if they don't have orders. Their motivation to draw has become unlearned to come from incentives other than financial ones. Terrifying! It sounds like a nightmarish dystopia, but, alas, this is a frequent reality and a sad example of degradation. When you don't have money (and many of us are from poor countries, including me), artists don't even look at you. And when you are rich like Croesus, they greet you with curtsies and run after you almost at a skip. Those of us who are poor have become poor relatives to the rich, who dissociate themselves from him in every possible way. We, like the little match girl from Hans Christian Andersen's sad fairy tale, can only admire from afar. Another shocking revelation is that some of them are not loli and shotalovers, but came to drawing because it is a lucrative topic. "Money doesn't smell." They declare with cynical frankness that they hate what they draw and those they draw to, but they tolerate it because of the big money. "You're a broke, balding, fat, sweaty, old jerk who stinks of cum!" - a true loli/shota-bro will never say such words towards his brother. An excellent marker that allows you to determine whether this or that artist is bro or not is AI. Bro ardently supports AI, knowing what great happiness AI brings to brothers. But the non-bro, who is in the community only for mercantile reasons, begins to writhe from the AI like a vampire from a holy crucifix. They start screaming about “capitalism and evil corporations depriving them of income,” although they themselves, like Scrooge, recently humiliated the poor man who was naive to turn to them. I do not want to say that artists should selflessly sacrifice for the sake of society and devote themselves to serving it, fulfilling everyone's dreams, never taking a penny, completely forgetting and rejecting their own interests. I want artists to be well-fed and live in abundance, without worrying about tomorrow. I’m just for balance, when sincere creativity and creativity for the sake of earning money are shared equally, without a bias in one direction or another. Twitter before Musk's arrival created a dangerous illusion among loli/shota artists that they were now in a legal field. They forgot how fragile their position is. They must remember who they are and that they are in the same boat with their poor bros. If this continues, we will turn into a disgrace like the furry-community, which has long been said to have become a club for the rich.
>>18769 I can tell from your hostile reaction that you are one of the pseudo-artists. Are you talking about this >>18747 screenshot? If so, are you deliberately not noticing how much time has passed since each of my messages? I waited patiently and respectfully, without reminding you of myself, for several months, although they promised to draw me in the coming days. And when I finally, carefully reminded you of myself, they did not answer me. For the sake of decency, I waited a couple of weeks and wrote again. And again I was ignored. I did not pester in private messages every day, I was patient like few others. But for you, pseudo-artists, such concepts as honor and loyalty to your word/promise do not exist. >free shit Which is what needed to be proven. Sholicon is shit for you, not love and passion. I will take a screenshot. You simply cannot find a better proof of my words that you draw only for money, and hate us, sholicons.
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A striking example of a pseudo-artist.
>>19004 You deserve to be blocked ya autistic fucking chimp
>>19014 Huckster, don't freak out. You don't have much time left to shamelessly profit off our community. More and more brothers are gaining freedom through AI.
>>19004 I couldn't help but notice that you said you would politely say goodbye and leave were the artist to refuse your request, only to press them further when they refused
>>19041 In the thread header I clearly voiced the idea that I do not consider those who draw only for money to be sholikons and artists. For me, they are like dirt from under my fingernails. Parasites who have attached themselves to the sholikon community. I call for their decisive boycott, cancellation and the harshest ostracism, letting them know that they have no place among us. He should be grateful that I responded to his shameless greed not with rude insults, but only with reproaches. "Pressing", haha. That's the point, I only gently pressed on his conscience, while they need to be CRUSHED like cockroaches.
>>19024 >>19050 Could you kindly fuck off? If you like AI so much, go chat with an AIbot, maybe it will stand your autistic behavior and won't call for the insignificant little shit you are
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>>19051 You're mad because I came to ruin the comfort of hucksters like you, conveying to the brothers that they are not the only ones who are tired and angry about what the sholicon community has become because of people like you. But no matter how mad you are, you will not be able to cancel, let alone delay, the inevitable. I see how the number of those who join the AI ​​is growing, sweeping away the privileged bastards like you, who have been reveling in their power for years. When I created the same topic in /delicious, the dealers, scared by HOW MANY people expressed their anger at the pseudo-artists, achieved the deletion of the thread that was inconvenient for them. I almost forgot about this piquant detail about this character (DenSekkusu) >>19004 : he sends the AI ​​to hell, he himself saves it in his bookmarks. Pathetic hypocrite and liar.
You are watching artists grow, and grow old as well Most young people vote left of center, most old people right of center. It's natural when you start making money and paying taxes and doing a business that your worldview changes. Also many artists work full time on the side (or will soon once they are done with college), so now they have two jobs, upping prices makes sense to make it more lucrative and to spend precious free time to get us all gooning material It's a cycle, it repeats itself consistently, there is no use to whine about it when upcoming artists "make it" and can use the effect of their own hard work to benefit themselves
>>19074 Age and political vector mean little. I have met both sympathetic and kind older artists and inexpressibly greedy young beginners who, without really having subscribers and a full gallery, were already rolling out a price list with exorbitant prices. It was especially disgusting when people positioning themselves as representatives of extreme left views, whose profiles are completely decorated with rainbow flags, hammers and sickles, preaching help to the poor and oppressed, harshly demanded impressive money from me, knowing full well that I do not have it, and what country I am from. It is clear why the left is failing all over the world, and the USA elected Trump. People are tired of the lies and duplicity of the left. The right is also crap, but at least not so hypocritical. What? Sholicon is a business? Not love, not passion, not the meaning of life, but a business? Do you even understand what a monstrous thing you just said? We value art, not cold, calculating business. Pseudo-artists accuse AI of having no soul, while in fact there is no soul in their drawings, created not out of passion, but for a fee. We do not need such "art". In addition to the spiritual aspect, there are other reasons why considering sholikon as a business is madness. Sholicon (its creation, storage, payment for it) is in the zone of criminal prosecution in many countries. There are fewer and fewer platforms where it can be monetized. Most of the audience is not rich, the number and reach there are not as big as furries. I remember the old days when the sholicon community was small and cozy. When there were no barriers between ordinary sholicons and artists. People drew not for the sake of earning money (they didn't even think about it then, considering it a threat to their own and others' safety, as well as blasphemy, because love is not for sale), but out of love for cute lolis and shotas, and also wanting to find those who would share your feelings. When each participant was remembered and known, and people began to worry if he disappeared for longer than a month. Then everyone was one of their own, and not one of faceless thousands. It was impossible to imagine then that creative sholicons would become a separate caste that would look down on their brothers and demand payment from them.
And one more important note. Probably many have noticed that most of the current sholicon-pseudo-artists/hucksters are from South America. The savvy South Americans saw in this a profitable way to make money on, as they call Europeans, Slavs and North Americans, gringos and pendejos. They hate us and sholicon, considering us perverts, but "money has no smell". Before, without knowing about it, I sympathized (knowing that South America is a poor region) with South American artists, thinking that sometimes, in addition to drawings for the soul, they draw paid orders, as a significant addition to their main work. But it turned out that they COMPLETELY turned sholicon into a business. Now I hate them as much as the greedy Western rich hucksters.
>>19112 >>19113 Because the entire world and its culture have gone to shit. Until we un-fuck the world, this will continue, just like everything else that has gone to shit. >People are tired of the lies and duplicity of the left. The right is also crap, but at least not so hypocritical. If the right would stop it's blatant hate for sex, nudity, "dirty words," fantasy, video games, cartoons/anime, and just overall FUN, the left wouldn't win (m)any elections in the first place. The right is now in power in multiple European countries, Japan, and soon to be the U.S. They would be wise to stop shaming people for having fun, or that rise to power will be very short-lived.
>>19117 That the world is heading for the abyss is an indisputable fact. But I will not regret it if it perishes. With a few exceptions, I no longer believe in humanity. The right, unlike the left, does not wear masks, immediately revealing its aggressive totalitarian essence, so the threat emanating from them is obvious. Whereas the left promises freedom, equality, brotherhood and justice, but in reality builds exactly the same tyranny as the right. Therefore, people, disappointedly waving their hands, went to the right, arguing that if there is a dictatorship, then without false decorations depicting happiness and freedom; if there is to be a death, then without deception and false hopes. Here the artists Honeyshot and JohnBlack was a striking example of such a lying leftists.
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I would like to especially note this Latin American scum (he is from Colombia). In his profile he writes about himself "Cuddly ✖️ Shy ✖️ Good boi ✖️ pats ur head ~ Summer Camp island ⭐️". But in personal communication he is extremely cold and aggressive, always throwing those who write to him in PM. I have heard complaints about this two-faced bastard from more than one person. With all my heart I wish him a painful death, one day falling into the clutches of one of the gangs that are actively in charge in his country. Yes, I do not take back my words. People like him are enemies to me on the level of the FBI and "morality fighters".
Nobody cares Ivan, go rape some orphans or something
>>19177 Post ethnic dk.
>>19178 And when were you authorized to speak on behalf of everyone? YOU personally don't care, not everyone. Secondly, I am a stranger to violence. And no, I am not one of those hypocritical pseudo-sholicons who distance themselves from pedosexuals by posting DNI MAPS in their profiles. It's just that reciprocity is important to me. And I also understand that my fantasies and reality are different; hentai doujinshi plots and scenes are extremely rare or impossible in life. Regarding my "reconquista" against pseudo-artists, I am not alone in my struggle. >>19179 I don't quite understand what you mean? If you're talking about my dislike for Latin American (pseudo)artists, then earlier in the thread I voiced the reasons why I have an extremely negative attitude towards them. They share first place with North Americans in my anti-rating
>>18725 Did you post this simply because Twitter was dying or because AI was growing?
>>19181 Not here of course but post your dick.
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Now I will tell you about the rarest case of a caring and sympathetic refusal. I take off my hat in respect. People like Mystic Hobo, I, hand on heart, call TRUE SHOLICONS. At such moments, it especially hurts me because I am poor and have no money, because I really want to thank such people with a generous donation as a sign of my appreciation. Appreciate and take care of people like Mystic Hobo. They are our last bastion. >>19186 Did you even read the text of the thread header? >>19191 Why should I do this? I am not a cute 2D shota-boy, but a grown sullen man.
>>19204 I would like to have a fellow shotacon (boy)friend to fap with. >grown sullen man Better.
>>19214 And horny aside how the fuck do you survive as a shotacon during wartime?
>>19214 Unfortunately, I am not the kind of person who is made for relationships. There are many people in the world who can become your partner. Whereas, due to the peculiarities of my personality/psychotype, I am not at all suited for constant communication and relationships. This is not feigned modesty, I just know myself well. >>19217 To protect myself, I do not live on Russian sites and use a VPN. Posting shotacon on Russian sites is akin to suicide. People are arrested even for completely innocent drawn images with lolis and shotas. They are even persecuted for erotica with adult characters: gazeta.ru/social/news/2024/12/03/24533684.shtml Russia is turning into some kind of Iran. And that is why, when I am rudely refused help in the outside world, it becomes so painful. Many of those who live in first world countries do not understand that for me paying is not only impossible due to lack of money, but also dangerous. I remember when the community was small and cautious, everything was different: everyone valued each other. To talk about money in those days was blasphemy and recklessness, such a person was looked upon as a suicide bomber who decided to voluntarily surrender himself into the clutches of the police.
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"Commodity-money relations" have a detrimental effect on the relationships between community members, introducing inequality. Some become superior to others. Many ideas and characters are rejected and forgotten, because creativity is on the rails of the mainstream. A barrier appears, ease of communication disappears. Someone who can draw begins to see you not as a fellow with whom he can discuss ideas and characters, but as a beggar. And someone who cannot draw, in turn, begins to be afraid to write to the one who draws, thinking that he will consider him insincere, wanting only to receive a drawing. The principle of asabiyya/commune is the only option if we want sholiсon not to disappear. You must remember that, unlike other communities, we walk under the sword of Damocles. You have forgotten the times when finding a fellow sholiсon on the Internet was considered an incredible rarity and happiness. You have forgotten that fear and loneliness. People are what matter, not money. Once the sword falls on our heads, you will understand what a mistake you made by trading your brothers for money and glory.
>>19258 Very well said. Much better written than anything I could've written and with a better temperament and mood than mine. My own assessment or preliminary diagnosis is that sholicon (that is, both shōtacon & lolicon) is veering toward extinction. Most of the sholicon resources I know of are gone (Little Angels Hentai, Flatchan, you name it), as are nearly every single personal artist website (save for Incognitymous) are likewise gone. Sholicon has been nearly universally banned everywhere. Sholicon can't even be marketed or profited from on Pixiv. Hell, if you have your country settings to USA on Pixiv, you're not even allowed to view Sholicon. France banned access to ATF entirely, then ATF disappears. Of all the world's worsening woes, the United Nations General Secretariat decides to waste time and money on an international universal ban on Sholicon. I'm also not encouraged by the fact that of the Sholicon artists I've had the displeasure of interacting with, the only one who wasn't an asshole was Funnibizness. Alas, he's disappeared. Which is something else I should mention, the disappearance of so very many Sholicon content creators. When two of the last places for Shōtacons, last places on Earth, that I could refer them to is here at 8ch.moe/sm and at Shotaworld, the situation is far beyond apocalyptic.
>>19256 > I remember when the community was small and cautious, everything was different: everyone valued each other. To talk about money in those days was blasphemy and recklessness, such a person was looked upon as a suicide bomber who decided to voluntarily surrender himself into the clutches of the police. Bullshit, shotacon became a thing only because of money, cause in Japan people could openly sell their artwork, almost all of the modern shotacon artist were influenced by the original shotacon artist from Japan, that surprise surprise, sold their work and made some buck and thus kept drawing and slowly the community grew. If not for them we would only have shitty comic book style shota content. Whether you like it or not, it is only because of money that the community grew so much, same thing happened during the renaissance, IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.
>>19259 How happy and touched I am to finally see a response that understands and shares my fears and sadness. Before this, no one wrote here except for trolls, hucksters and just bots, as if confirming the now popular theory of the dead Internet. I too noticed an extremely disturbing trend that those who were sincere with us and understood us as a brother understands a brother are practically gone online. Their accounts have long been abandoned. Today's (pseudo)artists are filled with such off-the-scale arrogance that even the most odious of aristocrats would envy their narcissism. We are experiencing a catastrophe. >>19261 You are so mad with greed that you are talking complete nonsense. According to your insane logic, it turns out that people become sholicons not because they were born that way, but because of money. Unlike you, the profiteers who profit off of us, WE WERE BORN PEDOSEXUAL! WE LOVE LOLI AND SHOTA, not money! Your logic is akin to homophobic stereotypes that claim that gays are not born, but made. People drew sholicon because they were driven by FEELINGS, the DESIRE to visualize their fantasies about their favorite characters. You are simply bursting with greed and anger. You are so furious that people like me, old-timers, do not let you, profiteers, destroy the memory of the old days, when the community was built on the principles of solidarity. I remember how artists used to draw because they wanted to share their love with others and find a response. They were always open to communication and ideas. I remember the old days and old artists. And you can't take this memory away from me! You, a profiteer, cannot understand the ESSENCE OF ART. An artist paints not for money, but because he likes the process of painting itself!
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Well, this is just a COMBO huckster!
>Autismo: The Thread
>>19292 You never dealt with the crop/shinji fag did you.
Recently, an old friend of mine expressed himself wonderfully on this whole situation. For him, those who draw sholikon solely for money are like those Jews who traded the lives of their fellow tribesmen in the Warsaw Ghetto, knowing full well that they too would suffer the fate of those they betrayed and sold. He also added that he does not understand those who compare sholikon with regular hentai and regular art in general and claim that sholikon is created only for money. Sholikon, as he says, is in a gray area, comparable to the life of underground partisans. And partisans fight not for money and glory, but for their beliefs. Anticipating a possible political squabble: neither I nor my friend are anti-Semites, but at the same time we are not Judeophiles. >>19292 When you have nothing to say in response, you stoop to banal insults.
>>19295 Oh, I've dealt with him, this is just so condensed in a single thread, that's a good thing at least. >>19296 >What is shitposting?
>>19297 Do you have some kind of trauma related to autism? Do you want to talk about it? By attributing autism to me because I created and am bumping this thread, you are clearly showing how mad you are that someone has demonstrated your essence as leeches sucking on the sholicon community. Do you think I am a loner and can only toothlessly post appeals and warnings? I am with a group of those who are angry at pseudo-artists, punishing them by destroying their Twitters and Patreons. For example, Harmarist, Honeyshot and RISUKOYAMA (https://x.com/risukoyama) lost their accounts because of their arrogance. We are preparing a new wave of crushing attacks on those who betrayed their brothers.
>>19292 How do you know this is "autismo?"
>>19314 I suppose it could be dementia too, but I'm more inclined to think it is autism >>19313 Kys faggot
>>19317 You're beyond delusional and your posts don't contribute whatsoever to this thread. No one takes you seriously and I, for one, don't care an iota about your input on anything. You're not qualified to diagnose Autism spectrum or anything else. Yet you think "kill yourself, faggot" (on a niche yaoi subforum, no less) is some sort of original snapback that anyone would find serious. Absent taking it seriously, which no one will, it's not even funny. You're delusional because you continue posting (pointless garbage, mind you) thinking your input is welcome or in any way valued.


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